Rutherford in first place for voiding Russel's will and his utter defiance toward following previous theocratic protocol. Russel in second place for going in his own direction and publishing literature to promote his beliefs that went contrary to what he and Nelson Barbour had agreed on. Freddy Franz for his final talk as WT president, promoting his dissent over the threat of a Governing Body arrangement that would force him to relinquish his presidency.
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Who takes the title as to the greatest apostate ?
by Chook insome may say gb , other may say popes , jesus he qualified as one and started his own religion.
terry on the forum he is up there.
it's that religious zeal against a former life.
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@steve2 Maybe the end just came invisibly. Paradise - paradise all around us! Invisible paradise.
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Jupiter protects the earth... another example of intellectual dishonesty and an argument against design
by cognisonance ini'm taking a university astronomy course, and i must say it's really fun to read about this field.
anyway, i remember the jws used to use jupiter (and probably still do) as an example for how unique and special our solar system is (and thus designed) -- namely, that jupiter protects the earth from astroids, comets, and meteors.
convincing if one doesn't know any better, especially circa 1994 when jupiter stepped in front of a comet for us... but this isn't the full story!
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@Anony Mous Is that true?!
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NWT - revised 1984 vs revised 2013 versions
by Tallon inin the latest 2013 revision the footnote of john chapter 8 states; a number of ancient and authoritative manuscripts omit vs 53 (of chapter 7) to chapter 8, vs. 11.. yet the 1984 revision quotes a similar footnote, however the passage of scripture is included in the text, albeit separately at the bottom.
this passage of scripture is about the scribes and the pharisees who brought a woman that was accused of adultery before jesus to test him on the punishment to be meted out.
then came his famous reply; let the one of you that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her.. i just found it interesting that the wtbts would leave this out in the latest revision.
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Ja, apparently too apocryphal for the Silver Sword edition. Which is a shame, really, since that statement about the one being without sin casting the first stone is the essence of Christianity. Not WT's version, though.
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Speaking for God: The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses
by Tahoe invery well put together!.
https://youtu.be/yyxg8klhtve.
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I just barfed all over my keyboard.
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Judicial meeting questions.
by Fader812 inwhy do elders ask such perverted questions during judicial meetings?
kinda creeped me out, actually creeped me out a lot.
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Reminds me of this Alexandra James JWvictims.org video wherein a rape victim was asked to DEMONSTRATE her own rape in front of the elders and her accuser. Vile, vile stuff:
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Watchtower Answers: "Will Sodom and Gomorrah Be Resurrected?"
by Yizuman inthe following answers are from the watchtower.... .
*** watchtower 1879 july 1 page8 ***.
(men of sodom and gomorrah will be resurrected).
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*sighs* WT, WT, WT...
I guess New Light in the 70s was flickering like a disco strobe light.
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Study with an Elder - propose a question.
by CitizenofEarth inhello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.
this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.
the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.
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@littlerockguy Terry, as in @TerryWalstrom? If so, credit to Terry for that provocative list of questions.
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Study with an Elder - propose a question.
by CitizenofEarth inhello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.
this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.
the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.
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@CitizenofEarth Urgh, thank the genius poster who listed the questions!! Whoever he/she is.... THANK YOU!
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Are JWs "mind trained" to be habitual liars?
by nonjwspouse ini don't mean overly obvious, or otherwise meaning to cause harm, but taught to lie for the purpose of avoidance.
this type of lying can be pervasive in areas of life that are not just to avoid discussions with people who have questions about the jw, etc.
my husband will lie/be deceitful about the silliest, simple things.
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@nonjwspouse Sweetie... I'm almost in tears reading your response to me. I have tremendous respect for you not viewing this man as disposable. If anything, I want to shout at my computer screen that your husband is so unworthy of your greatness : (. But I DO understand your emotional tug-of-war. In fact, if we replaced "getting a divorce" with "leaving the WT organization", I'd be reading a similar expression of heartfelt agony. When we started waking up to the horrifying realization that we were in an unhealthy, deceptive relationship (with this CULT), we all undoubtedly went through similar stages of grief. We were conditioned to hallucinate that a life OUTSIDE of WT would be FAR WORSE than if we remained a part of it. Some of us had family in the balance - children who'd just been baptized and would shun us for simply walking away from the WT's abuse. Families HAVE been torn apart because of our awakening. So, yes, I do sympathize deeply with your struggle and have nothing but admiration for your intense protection the gorgeous daughter who is in the middle of all of this. If we knew one another personally, I'd be bringing coffee over to your house right now so we can hug, cry, laugh and put back the broken pieces of your soul back together. Sending you so much love. If you feel comfortable disclosing what part of the world you are in, I can try map out if we're close enough so I can actually do something proactive for you.
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